Forgiveness--
I am kind of like an elephant. Not in size--ha ha, but in memory. Every article I read about being happy and searching for change speaks to the idea of forgiveness. It is not healthy to hold grudges. The only person who is hurt from holding grudges is the grudge holder.
I can say that I forgive. I have grown since my teenage years and do not hold grudges. However, I have a very long memory. I remember the pain of the hurt, the sting of cruel words, the slam of negativity, and the faces of those who have wronged me. I do not wish them ill will. I do not hate. But I feel and remember.
I guess my questions arise out of trying to decide if my long memory usurps my forgiveness or if remembering is what allows me to forgive each time.
Think about all of the times you have had to forgive. Did it come easily or was it hard. In the movie Eragon, one of the main characters says, "It is better to beg forgiveness than to ask for permission." (rough citation)
Is this the same type of forgiveness? Is there ever a time when forgiveness is a gift not worth offering? Should George be forgiven for what he did to Lennie? Should the minors in Kettle Bottom forgive the mine companies when they throw them out of their homes, endanger the lives of the minors or kill the "Dago boy?"
What does it mean to forgive?
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Am I the first to comment? probably not it's too hard to tell. Anyway so the topic today is forgiveness.*sigh* I guess I'll start with KB and OMAM. Well, honestly I don;t think that the coal company should be forgivin. I mean if I was in the shoes of a minor I would hate them. But I do have to admit the company is just doing their job and they do supply houses, school, and food. It's not like they wanted the minors to die, it like more minors more coal. The company isn't responsible for the minor's deaths. Not directly at least. (Deaths in mine) So the question is did the company even make an apology and if so is this a matter of foregiveness? Did the company really do anything wrong on purpose?
As for Of mice and Men, I personally think George should be forgiven but Lennie, who is of course dead, would have had to decide that. (Although knowing how loyal he is, remember the "jump in Lennie!" river incident, Lennie probably wouldn't even care.)
Think about it,
Emily Rady
I think forgiveness is very important. But you have to mean it. Like when a mom tells one of her kids to apoligize, thay will say it quickly and under their breath. When i am told to apoligize, i say no and wait until i'm over it to apoligize sometimes it takes days, but i never say sorry angry. Hey that reminds me of a joke. So this one man starts talking to this elderly man at the bus stop who has been married for 50 years. When the man asked him about his successful marriage he replies "We never go to bed angry." The man thinks that it's a wonderful thing, then noticed the older man looks ill. when asked about it he replied "I havent slept in 2 weeks." .................................. Well, were you laughing? Well i guess there's no way to know
Peace out-Perkins
ok somthing wierd is up my user name is now chris Im going to try to fix it
K fixed it by the way I noticed the posting is back 2 normal Victory over Cranky is ours!! Yeah..........Well that was short lived.
Sometimes forgiving people can be easy or hard, I think that it depends on the situation. An example of forgiving being real hard to do is my cousin. A few years ago, her family was in a car accident that killed her mother. Her Dad, let her Aunt to drive and her Aunt didn't drive that much. I believe that it must of been really hard for her to get over the accident. Losing a mother, and all must be really difficult. I believe it may of took a long time for her to forgive her Aunt. Forgiving can be really easy when it comes to friends. They're always there for you and even though you get mad at them, they remain loyal. I don't think there is ever a time when forgiveness is not worth the offering. I believe that forgiveness shows that you have grown as a person and have learned from you past mistakes or accidents. I agree that it is better to beg forgiveness then to ask for permission. Asking for persmission sounds like you haven't really learned anything and you are still unsure of how the person feels about you. Begging for forgiveness shows that you are able to go below yourself, ignore your pride to have the person forgive you. It shows that you truly are sorry.
I do not think forgiveness should be forced to give or to be begged for. I don't think i would give forgiveness to someone who begged for it but i would give forgiveness to someone who sincerely said they were sorry and sincerely asked for forgiveness. I almost always forgive anyone but i will not say i always forgive everyone because that might not be true and it might change but i hope not.
I someone is sincere and is truly sorry for what they did and ask politely for forgiveness, i believe that they should receive it no matter what.
Forgiveness--
Thats a topic that is difficult to even begin. First of all, we use forgiveness more than we think. Sometimes we do it so often that it loses meaning. When a person gets forgiven, they should be truly sorry about what they did. It shouldn't just be a "I'm off the hook" thing. Forgiveness is one of the strongest feelings for humans. We all make mistakes and we need to be forgiven. Nobody is perfect and everybody sins, but God and our neighbors will forgive us.
When I forgive, it usually doesn't come easily. The best way for me to overcome this is by putting myself in their shoes. Asking myself the questions: Would I do that if I were them? Would I want forgiveness? Was it on purpose?
In all situations including those in Kettlebottom and OM&M forgiveness should be given if the person is truly sorry. If the person does not mean it, then they shouldn't be forgiven. Are the mine companies truly sorry for throwing people out? Is George remoseful over what he did for Lennie? If the answer is YES then the deserve forgiveness.
--Selena
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I'm always the type of person who puts my friend's happiness infront of my own, so I'm not often faced with the "forgive me"s that often. I mean, I'm not perfect(for the record, no one is) and of course I am occasionally placed in the position. It's always hard to forgive and to get forgivness, but completely possible with about a million apologies.
There are also times when forgivness should not be offered. I just can't think of an example off the top of my head ^^"
I think George should be forgiven. Knowing what Curley would've done to poor Lennie, Lennie probably would've /asked/ George to shoot him instead. -terrible at makeing predictions though-
But the mine companies should not. It's just DOWNRIGHT terrible what they used to do to the workers. They treated them like they were just another speck of dust on the road. (Hey! 8D An example for my statement earlier! )
And to forgive is to put aside what has happened and make up with one another c: HAPPY ENDING~!~! WHOOO~
Forgiveness, i think is an internal conflict, it's a decsion to let go of all the hurt that someone/something has caused you. I tend to forgive, almost no matter the circumstances, unless it's a regularly occuring thing, and the person is not willing to change. Then i can only hope for them to change. But i find that many people get very angry over material things, like say someone spills a drink in their car, they get extremely angry, but i've found that it's really not that big of a deal, at all. Even if someone hurts me, emotionally, i get over it quickly, and forgive them. It might be because that's what the bible says, to forgive without thought, and love your enemy, but that's how i live. Because i think without forgiveness, the world would be unbearable hateful.
-Jacob
I think forgiveness is tied in with pride. When one is very pridefu (like me) It is very hard to ask for forgiveness, even when you really need it. Honestly, I believe everyone deserves forgiveness, but there becomes a point when if the person doing whatever the are doing asgainst you does it like six or seven times in a row, then that is pretty much like well i have forgiven you up to this point but this is juist too much. in OMAM george had a reason to kill lennie and it was a good reason because lennie would physically and mentally been hurt if he had stayed alive, so lennie should forgive him. i am not so sure on the forgiverness of the company in KB because some of the workers probably wanted to stop some of it but couldnt and the others just wanted money. so i would think that its up to the certian miner and their family and what they had against the mining company. so thats it i think.
-Jena
Forgiveness is very important, I have often forgiven somone and not really wanted to but we all must give in sometimes. I think George should be forgiven because he did what he thought was best, which was puuting Lennie out of his misery.
Bryan
Awright. Back in the saddle again. Forgiveness to me is a very powerful and influencing thing. If someone does something that hurts or damages someone, giving that person forgiveness means that you do not hold against that person what he/she has done, and that they can live with what you have done, which is very important. Having forgiveness can give you a sense of dignity, even if you have done something extremely bad, as you know there is no one holding anything against you or hating you. That is what friendship is to me.
Oh my gosh, Selena I love you! ha about your biggest loser kick!
Anyways, forgiveness is a very difficult area of the human race. Most people, like myself, have a hard time saying they are sorry. I am fine when I know that I was wrong and I have no problem. Usually, if I get into a fight, I will say I am sorry because I truly am sorry for anything I do. As Selena said, most people should only say sorry when they really mean it. Most of the time I do mean it but some people, most people, just say it to get out of a situation they do not want to be in.
In Kettlebottom and OM&M, George and mine owners should only be forgiven if they are truly sorry. As Selena said, do you really think that they are sorry and regretful for what they did? I do not think that they are. If they did not want to apologize then they should not have done anything in the first place.
When people need to apologize, then they need to do it. The sad thing is most of the time people do not think that they need to apologize when they really do...
Leanne!
Forgiveness. . . something I've had to give alot of. Well, to me, it depends on what the offense was. Like if your friend takes a pen out of your purse without asking, I can forgive. But if I were one of the miners in Kettle Bottom I wouldn't forgive the mie companies. They literaly ruined their lives. They are in danger everyday and they don't get the guaruntee of survival at all. To forgive Geroge is another story. What he did was wrong but think about it. If you knew the person who made your life miserable was going to break every bone in your friend's body wouldn't you feel like you had to do the same. George is living with the pain that Lennie would have felt. He lost his best friend. I would forgive George.
I think that in Of Mice and Men, George should be forgiven for what he did to lennie because he did it for a good reason. He didnt want to kill lennie but he also didnt want him to have to go through all that pain that Curley was going to put him through. In Kettle Bottom I dont really think that the coal companies should be forgiven because they kicked them out of their houses and if I were the coal minors i dont think that i would forgive them. But if you think of it from the point of view of the companies then i think that they should be forgiven because they kicked the coal miners out, but they gave them all the supplies that they needed.
I think forgiveness is something that truley needs to be earned. Sometimes it's over a big issue and forgivness for that person could be hard to get. I think a person should get forgivness only if they desire it. I also think there's times when you shouldn't forgive someone. For example if someone kills another person close to you, are you reallly going to forgive them for no reason at all? I think George should be forgiven because I think he did the right think by killing lennie. I don't think the workers in kettle bottom should forgive the coal companies because I think they were mistreated my them.
"If you prick us, do we not bleed? if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison us, do we not die? and if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?". - (Act III, Scene I).
That, my friends, was Shakespeare's opinion. I agree with Shakespeare, but in the end it is okay to forgive, as long as the other person is willing to forgive you. If they don't want to forgive you, your forgiveness will be useless and they will blow it off. I think that it should be soneone's own opinion whether or not to forgive, and my opinion differs depending on the situation. If the thing that the person did to me was very serious and I did not instigate it, then I would not forgive that person for a long time to bring justice to the situation. If someone's a jerk, then they deserve a little guilt. In the end I would probably forgive (after revenge, of course) and live HAPPILY EVER AFTER.
George never did anything wrong, so why should he be forgiven?
The MINERS in Kettle Bottom should not forgive unless they get their rights and live a normal life without being controlled.
That is my opinion.
Mrs. Perrin, I forgive you for spelling "miners" wrong, unless you're referring to the opposite of "major", in which case I repeal my original forgiveness because you did not spell it wrong.
TOM
i agree with chris(perkins?)on that you have to mean to forgive. sometimes im really upset and it takes me a few hours or days to say, "alright i was wrong." i would say that it depends on what the subject was to determine if it was hard or easy to forgive though.
for some reason, i don't like to ask for forgiveness, even though i should. i usually want to be right and come out first in the end. but i think that it is easier to forgive than ask for forgiveness.
George should be forgiven for what he did to Lennie, but only if Lennie forgives him. it's better to forgive and forget than keep an awkward relationship between two people; the same with Kettle Bottom
I think people forgive way too easily. This year I realized that you should only have a limited amount of forgiveness for one person. Forgiveness should never be begged for or force upon, then it wouldn't be sincere. In Kettle Bottom and Of Mice and Men I think it was the charcters own fault for whatever happened to them, you can always back out of a situation that you feel is going to be harmful or uncomfortable. I don't forgive very easily i rarely say sorry for any thing that i do unless it's bumping into someone or something like that, if i hurt someone elses feeling a have a hard time saying sorry and rarley do it. I should probably work on that.
Hmmm you know what? Forgiveness is kinda a good thought in theory but still. Do you really expect everyone to forgive everything that is ever done? I mean sometimes yes that can happen but in reality thats not going to happen very frequently.
As i type this i am listening to godsmack. And the song that is on is straight out of line. Well this song is about well many diterent things. Like one of the verses is "Theres no reason. theres no comprimise" Well really thats true. People think that everyone is part of everything. Well if you ask me thats a bunch of pylatapus crap. People do their own thing all the time. they dont always think before they do anything.
And i really dontknow what else to say so peace out my people :) (dont ask about the smiley. I got bored)
forgiveness is a very important thing that some people take forgranted. It has to come from the heart and also mind. if you don't believe it, why say it? I personally feel bad when i do something wrong so its usual for me to ask for forgiveness and apologize. but iknow that it isn't always the easiest thing to do. When adults tell kids to say sorry and forgive the other, its usually meant to get the teacher off their back. In that situatiuon< no one really feels better. When it comes from the heart, you can tell the difference and realize it. it makes you feel better. Always forgive and forget. we have been taught this since the beginning of time and is still used. even my cousins know that. it's great and every one feels better in the end. One of my friends though cannot say sorry, while another one of mine cannot forgive and forget. it's pretty weird. But most of the time it works very well. well that's all i have to say for now.
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-forgiveness /fərˈgɪvnɪs/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [fer-giv-nis] Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. act of forgiving; state of being forgiven.
2. disposition or willingness to forgive.
Origin:
bef. 900; ME forgifenesse, OE
forgifennys. See forgive, -ness
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That is dictionary.com's take on the subject. I thinke that it is a terrible definition because it uses the origional word in the definition. So Me, Myself, and I would like to take the matter into our own hands and make a simple and easy to remember definition. That way, anyone that doesn't remember the definition can use this post as a tool for their forgotten definitions. In my words, to forgive means to take all the anger that you have for someone and throw it out the window. Then go outside and pick up the anger. Then repeat 6 or 7 times. Then take the anger to a brick wall and repeatedly bash the anger on the wall until you think that you've beaten the living crap out of the anger. Then take it to the local trash compreser and get the anger all mashed up. Then, to finish it off, take the beat up anger to a bomb testing site in nevada and place it under the drop tower and wait for a big bang! Now, the anger is gone and you have forgiven whatever you were angery at in the first place. That is a short and sweet definition of forgiveness.
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To me I see forgiveness every once in a while but usually I try just to stay clear of forgiveness. I see forgiveness as a bad thing were you do not want to be in the posistion were you have to forgive but sometimes forgiving is for the best of all. One example of this was in "Of Mice and Men" were George shot Leanie. In that situation i can see them forgiving George of what he had done to Leanie since he realized that if he let Curly killed him leanie would be and pain and have a slow death. While if George just shot leanie in the back of the head, Leanie would of felt nothing making it relieve his pain.
In "Kettle Bottom" the minors should always forgive the mine companies just because they gave them a job and can help all others with the product. This starts from the mining companies giving the families houses, education, and food. While the miners just offer their services to them. This way of thinking shows a greater reward then consequence giving the miners a more reasonable decision just to forgive the company.
Finally, what does it mean to forgive? Forgiveness is not just a choice that you pick but is a responsibility that is given to you as soon as you are born. Forgiveness will come to you all throughout your life when you a baby and forgive someone for making you cry. To when you are old and forgiving those that were in you past that did things to you. Forgiveness is seen as just forgeting or repenting what someone else has done to you or to others, but for me I just see it as a way to show emotion. When forgiveness is shown it shows not just forgeting something but shows the emotion to do that as well.
I think that people should forgive easily and never forget. It is hard to forgive for me, but I do all the time. I still remember a situation from 2nd grade that I had to forgive someone for. ever since then Ive learned that forgiving is some what easier then forgetting. It is really unhealthy to hold grudges because the stress will build up and eventually become too much for a person to handle. forgiving takes alot of self strentgh in your mind. it is easy to Say "sorry" and the other person say "i forgive you" the difficult part is to mean it. every word in a forgivness has to be meaningful. once a person knows they meant their own forgivness i think its alot easier to release the stress that is on you. that is my opinion. in mice and men, i think that forgivness is hard to find in this book, but you can see it. george should forgive lennie but still make lennnie know that what he did was completely wrong. and in kettle bottom, the coal people should forgive the coal companies eventually, but no because teh coal companies didnt do it all on purpose in this situation it is hard to tell whos to blame. thats what I think :)
KaTie. TayloR
i think people should be forgiving because if ur not then people dont like you. You have to forgive people by saying it but u dont ahve to mean just to show sympathy to poeple. That is wat i think about forgiveness and what you should do
i do not always believe that one should forgive another. Sometimes, if one person does something very bad, or does things repeatedly to hurt another person, then the one being hurt doesn't have to forgive the other. Especially if it is for the better. I believe that people always deserve second chances, but giving one chances over and over will not teach them a lesson.
forgiveness is a difficult thing to offer, i think. it's not a good thing, but i think that sometimes i am more of one to hold grudges. only sometimes though, and when something really hurtful has happened. its better to forgive though, because it shows that you are willing to accept peoples mistakes, and let them know that it is okay to make mistakes as long as you learn from them and don't repeat your actions. i try to forgive because i know that when i do things wrong, i want to be forgiven and have it in the past. as for of mice and men, i think that george should be forgiven, because he thought that what he was doing was for the best, and it kind of was. the mine companies, however, aren't doing anything for the best interest of the minors. so no, I'm not sure if forgiveness should be offered to the,
Forgiveness. I think the definition of forgiveness changes depending on who you ask. Based on the comments i've read that statments pretty true. I think forgiveness is very important. I know whan I have done something wrong and someone is mad at me, I to make it better. I try because i hate it when people are mad at me, so i seek forgiveness. When someone has done wrong to me I try to see past what they have done and forgive them. Although sometime it is harder to see past what they have done, but I try. I think George should be forgiven for what he did to Lennie because Lennie was going to suffer if Curly got a hold of him. As for the mining company in OMAM, I can see why some people would say that they don't deserve to be forgiven for what they have done. Oh yea and I like the little joke Perkins put at the end of the blog. About the man not being able to sleep make me laugh. It also made feel stronger that everyone deserves to be forgiven.
~Lauren
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